Treating inflammation with Turmeric

Hi all - I think this is my first actual post here, although I've been able to comment on a few. A few of you know I have been learning yoga with the goal of teaching bed and chair yoga for people like us with autoimmune diseases, fibro, etc.

The training has been very hard physically on me, and I've just had my second major injury (another frozen shoulder) within the last week (so close to finishing my training hours).

I cannot tolerate most drugs for Sjogren's/fibro, due to horrible mood side-effects, so I was considering trying the spice Turmeric (curcumin) as it is meant to have amazing anti-inflammatory properties. My naturopath says she uses it with all her cancer patients as well.

Well, I was already pretty flared due to the frozen shoulder injury and massive pain, but after I took a Turmeric capsule, it's like it went into overdrive - my mouth filled with ulcers, my fatigue fell even further through the floor, and I felt like I was having the worst flu that was not flu ever.

This was two nights ago. I'd really like to try again, but feeling a bit nervous. I'm wondering if it is normal to feel worse before feeling better. I'm just reaching out to see if anyone else here had tried it. If not, nothing lost, and maybe something gained if it helps someone else.

Blessings,

Jane

Hi Jane,,,I haven't had experience with Tumeric though others have talked about it so I'm sure someone will be able to help with that. I am still very excited for you, though working towards the specialty yoga. Its impressive that you have been able to do it while battling all of this. It is so needed and it takes someone who's been there to be able to reach out to so many who need it. Please continue to keep us posted on how you are doing.

Thanks for replying, EnjoyLife :) and for your support. Some days I am so excited about the yoga and then other days so sick I can't think of doing anything. I think the style of yoga my teacher does is just too difficult for me, but she is supporting me to learn all I can about the chair yoga so I can teach it. I hope in that to find a safe practice. Right now... just in recovery.

When I feel a little stronger in recovering, I'll try the turmeric again. I've always felt a bit alone in that I have never been able to tolerate the "standard" treatments - I've had bad reactions to Plaquenil, methotrexate, sulfa drugs, prednisone and gabapentin. So, by default I've had to look into alternatives. It's difficult not having a good doctor on my side too, but I figure it doesn't matter really if I can't tolerate the treatments. I'll check back if I have any luck with the turmeric.

Hugs,

Jane

I kind of know the feeling about it being tough to train. I have had to give up a few things that I was very dedicated to and I am still trying to adjust to that idea. I am working my way into Yoga now as a way to hold on to some of the old me.

I seem to remember people saying that they started with lower doses of turmeric. I don't know much about it though. It must be tough for you….bad enough to have a rare disease to begin with. To not tolerate the treatment options has to be a little frightening too. I'm sure you've been through all the diet, etc explorations already so hopefully there will be something that takes some of the edge off for you.

Sending gentle hugs

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-662-turmeric.aspx?activeingredientid=662&activeingredientname=turmeric

Hi blackbird,

This sounds like the kind of reaction I had to Methotrexate after about 2 months! You could be allergic, it could have been manufactured under unclean conditions, it could even be something besides tumeric, depending on where it was grown, and processed. Many of these are from third world countries, so you have to be super careful of just what you get!

Just what did your naturopath say about this reaction? Did she recommend the brand for you, or prescribe it for you?

Hope you can get this straightened out, and feel better!

Wishing you well,

SK

A week ago I started taking one Tumeric capsule (LifeExtension SUPER BIO-CURCUMEN 400mg) each day. No problems, in fact I think it is helping relieve inflammation and pain.
Incidentally, I must constantly work NOT to get mouth ulcers…canker sores. I’ve had the problem for decades. Check out my profile for some things I use for mouth care. I realize now that I need to almost eliminate sugar to avoid many Sjogrens symptoms. My dentist prescibes some ‘compounded’ meds for my mouth problems (some info at Sjogren’s Foundation). Good dental hygiene is important. And I now take 500 mg of Valtrex twice daily to help protect me from canker sore outbreaks. And I have a perio cleaning every three months.
…But maybe your ulcers ARE related to Tumeric. I did tons of research and think I got one of the best brands. I got it online.
Hugs & blessings to you, too, Jane!
Evelyn

Jane, I;'m going thru the same thing, I react to the drugs and am now on 5 mg prednisone waiting fir another drug to try. I take turmeric curcumin500mg three times a day with no problems, just dont know if it is doing any good. How much did you take and how often. I had mouth canker sores bad too, do you eat much citrus? connie


blackbirdatnight said:

Thanks for replying, EnjoyLife :) and for your support. Some days I am so excited about the yoga and then other days so sick I can't think of doing anything. I think the style of yoga my teacher does is just too difficult for me, but she is supporting me to learn all I can about the chair yoga so I can teach it. I hope in that to find a safe practice. Right now... just in recovery.

When I feel a little stronger in recovering, I'll try the turmeric again. I've always felt a bit alone in that I have never been able to tolerate the "standard" treatments - I've had bad reactions to Plaquenil, methotrexate, sulfa drugs, prednisone and gabapentin. So, by default I've had to look into alternatives. It's difficult not having a good doctor on my side too, but I figure it doesn't matter really if I can't tolerate the treatments. I'll check back if I have any luck with the turmeric.

Hugs,

Jane

Sounds like a possible allergic reaction to me. IF you wanted to try it again, I would be careful. We have enough problems. BUT, if you decide to try it....start with a very low dose, and see from there.

Thanks for your input. I just bought some flake turmeric and was going to try it as a seasoning.

Think I might pass on it for now. <smile>

Any one else use turmeric for medicinal purposes?

Any one add it to cooking?

Hi BlackBirdatnight -- I applaud your efforts and goals to do yoga and to teach to others who are ill. It sounds to me like Tumeric is too hot for your system. Some of us have more sensitive systems (I do, too), so we can't tolerate things like Tumeric. The Cats Claw and Devils Claw herbs are both anti-inflammatories and are not hot so you might try taking those daily. Quercetin is supposed to be for inflammation, too, so that can be another one to try. Good luck!

I'm very interested in the chair yoga. sounds like something I could try. What mood problems did you have with prednisone? I'm on it and it is causing anxiety and depression. Not fun at ll. Connie.

I have a question about "frozen shoulder". I have a frozen hip. My chiropractor said it was due to my diabetes. Is it common for people who suffer from SS to have frozen shoulders or frozen hips? What have you found to be effective in treating your shoulder? Ever tried physical therapy? I have been considering it for my hip.

Thanks everyone for writing! I'm sorry that I kinda crashed all day after a bad night, but I will try to get here first thing tomorrow and catch up with you all. Lots of interesting comments!

HUGS

I will try to catch up on all the comments in this reply, so please bear with me if I miss something. *hugs*

EnjoyLife - thank you - I hope you are able to find a yoga practice that sustains you. After 2 frozen shoulders in 4 months, I've realized I can't do what my teacher does, and so I am definitely focussing on a gentler practice that I can sustain without injury. As for not tolerating the treatments - I think the treatments were more scary than anything for me. I would develop a rapid worsening of my depression and self-harming tendencies... now, although I must live with the pain as so many of us do, I still feel better than that scary out of control feeling on the meds, and I read so much about side-effects - I just believe I have a very sensitive system and maybe it is all for the best. I have tried several dietary things, and I continue to work on that - it's hard as food is my last "vice" and while I've never been a huge junk eater, I still love my chocolate, and that is definitely my downfall. *gentle hugs*

SK - I am not so sure now my reaction wasn't the reaction to the frozen shoulder inflammation. It's happened twice in 4 months, and both times there was a night that was really bad pain and inflammation and fever wise (like almost ER levels) and I think there was some of that going on. The turmeric is prescribed by the naturopath and I totally trust her. I've taken several doses since and the main thing is the worsening of the cankers... as someone else mentioned maybe too hot for my system. Thank you!

Evelyn - thank you! I forget that I speak sometimes in an "illness" short-hand LOL. Like you, I have had a history with mouth ulcers since shortly after I first got ill. My daughter rolls her eyes when I say that I have had a sore throat for 21 years, but that's what it has been like. I find that sulphites (which are very drying) make the whole thing worse, so I avoid those in food and meds as much as I can. When I have a flare up, just all the symptoms get worse and I actually talk about them (instead of forgetting they're usually there all the time). Sugar is a bad thing for sure and it's the one thing I struggle with as I love chocolate so much... kinda like one of life's last pleasures. My teeth are pretty much already a mess, and I can't afford the dentist since losing my job earleir this year, so I just try to be extra careful with the oral hygiene. Gargling sea salt seems to soothe the cankers somewhat. Thank you *hugs* and many blessings back to you.

Hi Connie - I'm sorry you are having the same reaction to the drugs. It can be very frustrating. I had to go on prednisone for pneumonia once - within 3 days I was a wreck. I became very suicidal. It's just not a good drug for me at all. Even the therapeutic dose of plaquenil made me suicidal/self-harming, so I am a firm believer that Sjogren's is very much part of the mind as well as the body, and what affects one affects the other. I have an immune support called Moducare that I have taken for some 11 years. It has stopped me getting pneumonia and bronchitis each year, so that's been a huge blessing for me. I avoid citrus for the very reason that it makes my mouth sorer. :) I'll be interested to hear if you have any positive outcomes related to the turmeric. I am just starting on one cap a day, seeing how I go with that. I'm not sure how much is in the capsule. As I mentioned above, canker sores have been a main feature of my Sjogren's for over 21 years - they just get worse when I flare, and I think it was the shoulder injury that night that caused it - maybe the turmeric was a coincidence...

DLT88 - thank you so much for your support and for the really helpful information. It's quite possible you're right that the turmeric is too hot. I did some Ayurveda as part of my training and it said I was mostly Pitta (fire) so maybe it's not good to add fire to the system. I've also always had to avoid a lot of spices because they often add sulphites and I definitely do not do well with those. I will look into info about the cats claw and devils claw and quercetin. Thank you so much, it's so good to have alternatives!

BigMama - That's a good question - I've done some reading and it seems suggestive that autoimmune diseases could be a risk factor for frozen shoulder (I don't know about frozen hip, but it might be similar), and I read that diabetes was also a risk factor. What caused the frozen shoulder for me was actually doing yoga - and essentially doign the equivalent of push ups during a sequence called a sun salutation - which lifting 210 pounds up on my shoulders was apparently not at all a good thing. So I have to revisit my whole approach as obviously this is not something I can do now. I put on all of my weight in the frist few years of my illness in the nineties, when I was on a lot of inappropriate psychiatric meds for my depression. I spent some time with a yoga therapist and remarkably, her therapy was based on lots of very small, gentle movements. It can take up to a year to heal from a frozen shoulder, so you don't want to be overstressing it. You do need to keep things moving, but not overinjure it so that it freezes again. My therapist wanred me that doing regular yoga classes would re-freeze my shoulder and she was right! I am going to be an advocate for gentle yoga for sure. I hope you can find some gentle stretching to help. There seems to be a lot on Youtube - just make sure you research a bit as some people out there know less than they think they do! Take care!

Thanks everyone, *hugs*

Blackbird….can I just add that you are a total sweetheart?! It's amazing that you took the time to truly answer everyone. And even with the pain you are in, still gracious. Thanks for being a wonderful support.

Awww, thank you, EnjoyLife! I am a work in progress, but I was touched how everyone had written and didn't want folks to think I didn't appreciate it. :) *HUGS* I hope you have a peaceful and happy day.

I definitely recommend it. I was on the fence on taking plaquenil becuse was doing very well. Then got my cancer diagnosis and did not go it.
I attribute my “remission” to the following:
Quit my stressful job and got a more reasonable one
I take Omega 3, vitamin D, vitamin B, vitamin c and magnesium. The omega 3 helpes with dry eyes and joint pain. The others helped with fatigue and blood counts were much better.
Then I added turmeric and I definitely started feeling even better.
As part of my cancer treatment I had to stop them all…and I noticed it within a week.
Everyone is different but I think turmeric really helps!

Thank you for your feedback - I'm sorry to hear about your cancer fight, but glad you triumphed! Good news!

I too quit a stressful job after they made it difficult to stay - it's taking me time to adjust and the income loss led to many other stressors, but we're on the other side. I am Vitamin D deficient, so I take Vitamin D, Omega 3, Magnesium and Calcium. I was taking B vitamins until I ran out recently.

I've had a bad migraine the past day - was trying to work out if it was the turmeric - but everything I've read said it should help migraines. On the other hand, my brain has just been full to bursting because I've had so much "rest" time lately that I feel I "should" be up and doing things, so that may be it. :)

Thanks for your helpful feedback - I will stick at it and see if things pick up!

Many blessings, Jane